A mash-up of classic sitcoms and large-scale cinematic action, WandaVision—Marvel Studios’ first series for Disney+—is an ambitious, genre-bending adventure unlike any other. And we here at Reel 360 love it. It has it all —Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany… and comedy legend Dick Van Dyke.
The nine-episode series begins as a 1950s-style sitcom, largely inspired by The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy and Bewitched. As such, director Matt Shakman and Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige sought unofficial counsel from Disney Legend Dick Van Dyke before they entered a visionary new era for Marvel Studios.
Shakman began his career in the 1980s as a child actor, which culminated in a series regular role on Just the Ten of Us, a Growing Pains spinoff that lasted three seasons. The ABC sitcom ended up being Shakman’s final onscreen credit as he returned to the business in 2002 as a director.
Shakman, the filmmaker, was even more successful as a comedic director-producer, helming 43 of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia’s 154 episodes. In 2017, Shakman went next level when he unleashed one of Daenerys Targaryen’s (Emilia Clarke) dragons on the Lannister-Tarly army in Game of Thrones’ “The Spoils of War.”
Here, Shakman fields some intriguing questions about getting advice from the legendary Dick Van Dyke to create WandaVision’s spot-on sitcom feel.
How did your meeting with Dick Van Dyke come about?
Matt Shakman (MS): Something that’s really important to everyone is authenticity. To that end, we reached out to people who had worked on shows we were using as reference points. Dick Van Dyke was, obviously, the most notable person who fell into that category. He’s a hero of mine and of Kevin’s.
The chance to talk to him about tone, about style and about the day-to-day of that show and how they put The Dick Van Dyke Show together was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We reached out to him to find a time that would work for everyone’s schedule, and it just so happened to be on the weekend of D23 Expo 2019.
It was extra magical to sit down with him at Club 33 at Disneyland, overlooking Pirates of the Caribbean. That was quite an amazing afternoon.
What specific insights did Mr. Van Dyke offer during that lunch?
MS: I was very curious how they maintained control over tone, because that show is timeless and it resonates just as much today as it when it first aired. I wanted to know how they created a comedy that lasted that long. And his answer was very simple.
He said, ‘If it couldn’t happen in real life, it wouldn’t happen on the show.’ [The Dick Van Dyke Show creator] Carl Reiner would begin every week by asking the cast what had happened in their lives and the funny things that had happened to their families.
Then, he would take those stories and would weave them into the show; it was ripped from the family headlines. That grounded it and it allowed for there to be wild and crazy comedy, because it was always built on something that really happened in people’s family lives. That was really important. Dick Van Dyke is magical. His physical comedy is amazing.
But it’s like, ‘How do you make room for wonderful physical comedy without making it feel too broad?’ I think that was the solution. We were trying to do the same thing, which is to always remember we were grounding this in the story of Wanda and Vision and their love for each other.
How did you balance those sitcom tropes with classic Marvel elements?
MS: Because we were playing around with style, tone and genre, we used a lot of experimental filmmaking techniques as well, like changing aspect ratios and using different lighting and lenses. The question we often asked ourselves was: ‘What would hold all of this together?’ The answer—or at least the one that that works for me—is that, ultimately, this show is a love story between Wanda and Vision.
And if you’re rooting for them and you’re believing in their connection—a connection that I think has been really beautifully established in the MCU films in relatively little screen time—then hopefully all of the crazy things we’re doing on top of that will hold together.
How well-versed was Mr. Van Dyke in what’s already happened in the MCU?
MS: We didn’t talk too much about the MCU. It was really was about telling him how much we admire him and how much his work had meant to us, as well as to pick his brain on how he made that show. I can’t remember the exact number, but they did something like 30 episodes a year—so many more episodes than network television today!
Then, he would go off during his hiatus and make Mary Poppins. He was working so hard and making one magical thing after another. He was so generous in offering us his time. He is less fluent in the MCU than some Marvel fans are, which is understandable.
But we gave him some basic background on the characters in the show and what we were trying to do, and he was really wonderful to listen to that and give us his advice.
After your lunch with Mr. Van Dyke, what was it like to actually film the ’50s episode?
MS: I have not directed a lot of multi-cam sitcom. In fact, I’ve done none of it. My own experience in sitcom really is as a child actor [in Just the Ten of Us; Good Morning, Miss Bliss; and other ’80s programs]; I understood the flow of how you put on a show in front of a live audience, from my own experience as an actor. But we also learned a lot from talking to Dick Van Dyke about it.
What I found especially interesting about how they put on the Dick Van Dyke Show is that they rehearsed it, and then when they did the performance for the audience, they didn’t stop and go back and do a “take two” of a scene or make any changes, which is very common now when you go to a live taping.
The emcee who’s there, one of their big responsibilities is to keep the audience engaged take after take. But the Dick Van Dyke Show was filmed from beginning to end—straight through—without any breaks.
It was like watching a play, which I think is a tremendous gift to the live audience and in turn allows the live audience to give a giant gift to the actors. The audience was watching it like a play; they were invested and giving their whole energy to the process.
And the actors in turn would feed off of that. That’s what we wanted to do as well. [For the WandaVision pilot, the crew] dressed up in costumes and the audience did, too. We treated it very much like it was happening in the late ’50s.
(Note: This interview first appeared on the Walt Disney Company site)
SOURCE: The Walt Disney Company